Is JustBeenPaid a ponzi scheme scam?
Is JustBeenPaid really a Ponzi Scheme Scam?
This question is one that is vitally important for me to answer. Before I can answer it, I need to define my terms. For the sake of ease, I will use Wikipedia’s definition of a Ponzi Scheme, “a fraudulent investment operation that pays returns to its investors from their own money or the money paid by subsequent investors, rather than from profit earned by the organization running the operation.”
The scheme is named after Charles Ponzi, who famously scammed thousands with his tricks in the early 20th century. While he did not invent it, it bears his name to this day. Pyramid Schemes and Economic Bubbles are similar to Ponzi schemes, but I won’t have to explain economic bubbles in this blog post, you can just thank your government for those. Pyramid Scheme does not particularly fit with JustBeenPaid, because it has only a two-tier compensation program for referrals, as opposed to the other programs that offer many different levels.
JustBeenPaid scammy scheming Ponzi accusations
JustBeenPaid is accused of being a Ponzi scheme more than anything else. There are several reasons for this:
1. The advertising positions that you buy with JustBeenPaid do reward the holder handsomely.
2. Sounds like it might be “too good to be true”.
3. People are earning money online with it (always a very sure sign of a scam, right? haha)
I will address these individually, beginning with the 1st:
“The advertising positions that you buy with JustBeenPaid do reward to holder handsomely.”
Yes, they pay 2% for the advertising positions that you hold, and these payments are made daily (1.5% on weekends). The Ponzi Scheme camp would say that 2% is too high, and must be a scam. The argument is that the only way participants could be paid that amount is through using money that they receive from other members. Fair enough. But not accurate.
See, the “positions” that people buy are the main products that JustBeenPaid is selling. Depending on the number of positions someone has, that is how many credits they have for web traffic to their sites and for the advertising pages. We pay for that with the positions we buy. Think of it like internet real estate, though it is different. The positions cycle, so its more like renting the positions, and for the duration of that position the advertising space belongs to the holder.
I own a blog, tons of lead capture pages and marketing pages. Imagine how great this product is to me. Advertising positions are a legitimate, important, valuable product.
There have other products, including their books, which are products sold through JustBeenPaid. This is part of their account upgrades, so most participants purchase the books. This is why JustBeenPaid is considered a Direct Sales Company. Members sell these products and sell advertising positions, all legitimate products, and from the profit of these sales they make their daily payments. They can’t be a Ponzi if all the cash they pay out are profits from incoming monies they have for the advertising positions and books they sold.
“Sounds like its too good to be true”.
So….it must be a Ponzi. Haha. Please don’t think that I am dodging this bullet, but I want to go ahead and destroy this myth (which isn’t in the Bible, or the Constitution, but maybe in the back of a dusty book of old wives tales).
There are things that are “too good to be true” but we know that they are, so we don’t apply the “sacred wives tale” to them. Take Coupons, for example. Ever seen Extreme Couponing? That happens in real life. I worked for years in the grocery industry, so don’t tell me I don’t know what I’m talking about. We had people come into the grocery store and literally buy 2 thousand dollars worth of groceries and pay $20. I’ve heard stories of people getting Hundreds and hundreds of dollars worth of groceries, and the GROCERY STORE PAYS THEM. And THAT doesn’t sound too good to be true. The Grocery store gets money for some of the coupons, but where I worked, many of the coupons later wouldn’t even get accepted. Usually multiple cashiers would have to spend HOURS ringing stuff up. Stockers got paid to stock the shelves. The Grocery Store always gets gypped by extreme couponing. IT SOUNDS TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE. But, hey, old wives love coupons. So, it must not apply.
The truth of God’s Word sounds too good to be true, too. Jesus died to pay the penalty for all of our sins, and that we can become children of God by trusting in Him and turning from our sins. Too good to be true.
Another example: You can pay $1 a day to Gerber life insurance, and they day you die (No matter when that is) you have access to your $50,000.00 policy. Yes. Sounds too good to be true.
My conclusion: I’ve given three examples (from radically different fields) and the old wives tale just does not stand. My conclusion is obvious: Sounds can be deceiving. Sometimes things can SOUND too good to be true, but are good AND true. “The Sounds too good to be true” myth is bologna.
“People are earnings money with it, it must be a scam!”
Listen. If you are researching whether or not JustBeenPaid is a Ponzi Scheme, please be wise. I have read online reviews that base their criticism off of the music that the introduction videos have in the background. I am yet to see 1 single critical review by someone who actually knows what they are talking about. I read one online review that claimed, “JustBeenPaid does not have a product.” Hmmm. Do they even try?
JustBeenPaid is not a Ponzi scheme scam!
JustBeenPaid runs on sales. Sales of their many products, specifically their advertising positions (my favorite!) and their books.
Is JustBeenPaid a Ponzi scheme scam? No.
Its not.
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Peace,
Daniel
http://workwithdanielbarth.com
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I agree with you. I believe in the innocent before proven guilty side of things. So I started with the fact that JBP is legit.
Then I went through one blog that said that JustBeenPaid claims that it will pay forever and this can’t possibly be true because not even the universe will last forever meaning JBP is a Scam. After an argument with this person he eventually saw sense and removed the blog.
Probably looking for a future excuse to be miserable about it.
True. There are a lot of ridiculous things written about JustBeenPaid.
People need to be sure and not check their brains out at the door.
All I have been saying is: Let’s look at this sensibly.
Thanks for the comment, Jake.
Some people just can’t accept that making money can be this easy. They are so intrenched in the notion that they have to work as a slave to society to make it anywhere. Let them continue down that path to nowhere. I’ll be the smart one and make my money work for me. Then I can rub it in their faces for being so snobbish to begin with
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True. People have endless faith in Garage sales or collecting cans to earn money, but overlook one of our greatest resources, the Internet! It is difficult to overcome some of our misunderstandings. It almost demands a paradigm shift.
i think it doesn’t matter JBP scam or not … as long as the investor realize and accept the risk of lost money they invested.
An investor who invested in something he firmly believed to be a scam would lack principle. I wouldn’t suggest participating in JBP if you feel like it is a scam. Also, in the terms and conditions that JBP members have to agree to, they have to acknowledge that JBP is neither “an investment, nor a franchise, nor an employment opportunity”. So, while members may occasionally slip up and call it an investment, JustBeenPaid is not an investment, it is not like stocks or even bonds, and it isn’t a money game. It is a Direct Sales Multi Level Marketing company that sells real advertising spots and real books to real member, and rewards them for the time and sales effort.
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Thanks! I like to think my articles are “extremely neatly written”.
I wrote another “Ponzi Scheme Scam” post that you will want to check out.
http://workwithdanielbarth.com/?p=1735
I think it will really JBP scam, because the fact is many of my friends can not withrdaw, and some have been unable to withrdaw 3 months, when the complaint, the answer was evasive.
Withdrawal issues the past few months is no reflection on JustBeenPaid, but only on the payment processors. The payment processor industry was hit hard, especially this past July, with ACH issues and delays. JustBeenPaid’s processors are strong and reliable, those issues have been worked out. I have never met anyone who could not withdraw their JBP funds.
I used to be more than glad to look for this website.I wanted to thanks in your time for this glorious read!! I totally enjoying each small bit of it & I have you bookmarked to research new stuff you weblog post.
i had been thinking about registering with JBP.but now am a bit skeptical, and just wait untill i know someone who has collected funds from this.
i dont wanna put my money in something that might take 3weeks for me to get my money out
Guess i will just wait until i know someone who has actually gotten cash out of this, and not just figures in an account.
Cool, I can send you the link so you can register as soon as possible with JustBeenPaid. Because there are thousands of real life people that get money out of this, one of my best friends (who also was my sponsor) even keeps a copy of his first paycheck he earned from JustBeenPaid just to show people it is legit.
This Guys just sold out just been paid without any prior notice to all their investors with all our money stock in there. What other scam can we expect than this. The big question has always been. If the defunct just been paid was genuine which of the Government body was regulating their operation?
No one “sold out”, no one sold anything. All of your assets with the company still belong to you and are now transferred to the new Profit Clicking. What Government agency is regulating their operation? Same as any other company! Come on now.
I am still very unclear how JBP mananges to generate such high profits for its members. Could you explain just how it makes money from advertising (selling advertising space/cyber real estate as you put it)? Where is the evidence the site actually does this?
The site strikes me as being an elaborate Ponzischeme-the fact that it manages to employ people or has been going for quite a while now is no guarantee that it is not. May still crash with our money later. There’s no way, imho, that the site could generate such massive profits from ebooks (Also sells printed T shirts, mugs, mouse mats etc with the JBP logo on them). This looks suspiciously like a front so it looks like JBP is conducting a legit business.
What is this magic formula that Mr Mann is supposed to have come up with? Why does he not tell us what it is? ( I want to get my million dollars). As one guy above pointed out, there is no way the system could be infinitely sustainable-our planet is not infinitely sustainable. All things pass. This not prove him wrong?
Yours Charlie
Thank you for your thoughts, Charlie.
First of all, I don’t think I have to provide evidence for the fact that JustBeenPaid makes money from advertising. They sell thousands of advertising positions every day, just like any other merchant would sell goods to people. To ask for the evidence seems unnecessary. They provide us with the advertising that we pay for. That’s like asking McDonalds to prove they are making money from burgers. Well, they sell burgers that we are buying. Money for burgers. Money for advertising positions. At the core JustBeenPaid is a direct sales company. So of course they are earning money from advertising! (That is what everyone is paying for!)
Second of all, I agree, the books alone don’t seem to cover everything. But this is a big source of income. In fact, just about every single member I have met has bought at least 1 book, which comes with a residual price tag of $15 (for the 1st book). This also covers an upgrade. Is JBP conducting a legitimate business? Sure.
Thirdly, I agree that almost “all things pass”. You don’t see or hear me bragging about it being “indefinitely sustainable”. This quickly becomes an issue of semantics, Charlie. Mr. Mann has built a system that mathematically could keep going and going and going. If we get nit-picky about the terms used, then the discussion quickly turns to one’s personal views on whether something CAN last forever. JBP works and has been designed to last a very very very very very long time. That’s the point.
“That’s like asking McDonalds to prove they are making money from burgers. Well, they sell burgers that we are buying.”
Yeah they’re called financial statements… they are required to handout financial statements to their stakeholders, which is pretty much asking them to “prove they are making money from burgers”. So where are the financial statements saying that this JPB/ProfitClicking is making money selling products??
I have always felt that JBP is running a program that will soon collapse.
How can any institution afford to pay 2% a day to depositors in these economic times? That is 730% annually. Am I wrong?
Profit to pay that kind of returns cannot come from sale of Ebooks, or even Advertising.
Another problem is why are clients not being sent statements and reminders by email about their balances?
A good Financial Institution does these things.
The terms they use like cycling and positions, etc. are meant to confuse the semi-illiterate who are only interested in getting high payouts.
Can anyone convince me otherwise?
I’m not sure anyone could convince you otherwise, Brenchris.
First of all, the payments are up to 2%. They never guarantee 2%.
Your math is wrong on the 730%, you can’t just multiply 2 times each day of the year. You have to remember what the 2% is taken from, which is just 1 aspect of their business and sales. So, they don’t pay out 730% annually. If they did, sure, their operation would fail. Almost immediately.
As far as the statements and reminders about financial balances, I’m not sure I know of any companies that provide their average associates with those types of statistics, especially through email.
And while a good “Financial” institution might provide some of this data, JustBeenPaid is not a financial institution. Far from it. It is a direct sales company. Not a bank!
But, from my experience, most people are already convinced about JustBeenPaid when they come to this page. So, I don’t know if I could convince you otherwise. But, the reasons stated above don’t seem to hold enough water to build a case against JustBeenPaid, in my opinion.
Daniel;
I joined but could not get free $10.00.
Am willing to continue.
Please help.
James.
sure thing man. I’ll email you
“you can’t just multiply 2 times each day of the year.”
Actually thats exactly how you calculate the annual rate of 2% compounding daily. There’s 365 days in a year and you earn 2% each day, that makes 730% annual rate.
Well, now what?
I am a JBP member and i have been reading some of the comments on this post. People who are writing off JBP as a scam may as well just stay away from the website and let us members reap all the profits while you wake up every morning for your day job haha. On a serious note, JBP won’t make you a millionaire and it won’t make you a lot of money over night unless you invest a massive amount to start off with and i don’t think you are wanting to do that.
I invested $500 over a year ago and now it is making me 500 – 600 a day. I just keep re-investing the money because my goal is to make $1000 a day. Mose people want results instantly and if thats what you are looking for in JBP then forget it. You might as well not bother with the system.
If you can tell me were you can get 2% a day GUARANTEED on your investment then i will eat my stinky socks.
Join us and just use the free $10 that you get for join!
I promise it will change your life as Daniel says in his post
I agree, Russ! Thanks for the comment.
Wow..nice info Daniel
I am JPB/Profit Clicking member from Indonesia.
Your analyze make me cool and believe of this business
Hi Daniel,
There are so many things that are absolutely mind boggling that the bird brains
cannot understand or explain yet they still use it even though they are too good to be true but are true. I make a list hundreds of items that are too good to be true that are true. The cell phones that these nincompoops use everyday are too good to be true but are true. How about the computer? All the digital television? the fax
machine? There are three types of people in our society. The well informed, the
un-informed and the mis-informed. Those who think that JBP is a scam, is announcing how stupid and brainless they are. Thank you for providing an enlightenment to the
poor people in the dark who are “Mr. know it all.” I specially love your example of our Savior and the atonement. I’d love to have your email if it’s possible. I would really like to get a clear copy of the Patent document you showed on video. I’ll use it to educate the “turkeys” of our society. With great appreciation, Norbert
Norberto, You can find the patent here:
http://www.google.com/patents?id=pRIPAAAAEBAJ&printsec=abstract&zoom=4#v=onepage&q&f=false
And good job Daniel!
As soon as I read “the truth of God’s Word sounds too good to be true” I knew you were a sucker. And now you want everyone to be a sucker just like you.
Which part of the bible is to good to be true the command in levitcus where we should kill all homosexuals or the command to not eat shrimp?
Every fool loves company.
My blog post actually specifies which part of the Bible is too good to be true.
You were very eager in bashing the Bible, but I’m afraid your comment isn’t terribly relevant.
quero participar de just been paid nao sei como me oriente
Hi,may i Know profit clicking is a trustable website?? and we sure will get paid ? is that legal ?
I have question for you man.I have to mention i don`t do only business but i do have a business.If its not a ponzi scheme and it actually sells something(besides these marketing position wich i will be honest what the f…. are they how can you make money of them).What other products are they selling what books.If they sell adverstising on google why would anyone buy it from a bunch o people who don`t want to buy but just make money.
These are some questions wich i have a doubt you will answer just like posting this message
great question!
actually, it’s quite simple. Profit Clicking (Formally JustBeenPaid) is an advertising agency. You can make money because people are spending a ton of money on advertising with Profit Clicking, myself being one of them. People who are a part of Profit Clicking have 1 thing in common- we want to earn money online.
So, it’s a great market of people to buy advertising and advertise to.
And, you might be surprised by this, but there ARE a lot of people who don’t just want to make money, but also want to spend some money too. If you are fairly sure a particular product or business opportunity is going to help you generate residual income online, say, $1000 a month, you’ll be willing to pay out $350 (this is purely hypothetical by the way…..there is no product or opportunity I am alluding to)
The best people to market to are “buyers”. Profit clicking is full of buyers! The vast majority of people in Profit Clicking, nearly all of them buy advertising. And they should….it’s incredible!
You doubted I would answer you….and I have proven your doubt wrong.
So also, your doubt in Profit Clicking is not necessary. As a business owner you know the power of advertising, and the importance of advertising. Profit Clicking is right up your alley, my friend!
What is it selling?Profit Clicking and why should a business owner who want to sell a product only pay profit clicking for people who ONLY CLICK and not buy my products
You should update your links. All of the JPB links used to go to the “JPB is now ProfitClicking” page. Now it looks like they fixed it and they go to the home page. However, your original link was for a particular splash page. PC now has several splash pages if you wanted it to go to something besides the home page.
Hello, Daniel Barth I have watched your video about “Is Profit Clicking (just been paid) Illegal.” I thank you for your time in providing facts about Profit Clicking. Now I don’t know if you know a man name Troy Dooly who claims on youtube that it is illegal in the US and canada and he suggest that nobody joins that site unless they can prove to you who their US base attorney is, who is their actual legal representation, who is their agent of record in the US and so forth.
What would you have to say about his view?
His view was not accurate. JustBeenPaid had legal representation in the US, Jardine Law Offices, to be exact. I am assuming Joseph Jardine and his associates still represent the program now as Profit Clicking.
Ok once again thank you for your proof and information you’ve provided.